McCain is a moderate republican. We don't have many of those out there any more... What happened in the last election was during the primaries he had to seem like he was far right, after he did that he failed to move to the center very well. Oboma had the advantage of being after Bush, If Donald Duck won the Democratic primaries he probably would have been president, and he made the shift from Far Left to Center very gracefully.
We have a hole society who thinks that Moderates are week minded. They are not, they can hold strong to their convictions however they are not stupidly just holding onto Redirect and take each issue as it comes up. We need to demand more moderates, but the ext reams on both sides have us believe if we elect a moderate the ideals of the party will be compromised away, which isn't true.
McCain might have stood a chance, if not for Palin. I wonder how many democrats are secretly donating money to her, hoping she'll be prominent enough to cost GOP the 2012 election too?
Enough with the revisionism already. Jeesh! The GOP was completely disheartened until Palin spoke. They had watched for 8 years as the party of smaller government took over and, instead of reducing government, gave us hearings on steroids among professional athletes. At some point, you throw your hands up and say, "What the hell. We're dead.", and many in the GOP were feeling that way. The only difference between McCain and Obama was which government programs they wanted to increase spending on.
Yes, Palin invigorated a lot of Republican voters. However these were the true believers, those who were going to vote Republican anyway. Palin also alienated all the undecided voters and Republican moderates. Sure McCain had a lot of gaffes but he was not doing too badly in the race and even some Democrats were leaning his way, until Palin screwed it all up.
I typically vote Democrat (or third party). However, I was strongly considering voting for McCain until Palin entered. Had McCain beaten Bush in 2000, it would have been a tough choice there as well. If Bush had declined to run in 2004, McCain would have been a much better choice over Kerry. If it had come to Hillary vs. McCain in 2008, and Palin (or an equivalent) was not in the VP slot, I would have gone to that side. He doesn't energize the Republican Conservative Base, true, but he is a great candi
I think Palin is out, but I would seriously consider donating to Michelle Bachmann's campaign. I don't have enough faith in American voters to believe Bachmann running would be a guaranteed victory for democrats, but even so I think it would be better for the country in the long run if she actually won the presidency. The voters need some "shock & awe", the sooner the country can bottom out the quicker the ignorant public will wake up and realize what has been going on before their very eyes, and hope
McCain might have stood a chance, if not for Palin. I wonder how many democrats are secretly donating money to her, hoping she'll be prominent enough to cost GOP the 2012 election too?
No. Palin hurt him, but it was the economy that sealed the deal. The economy *collapsed*. We're weathering it fairly well, though it's still REALLY hard for a lot of people--but the fact is that almost everyone with any savings at all got a whole lot poorer one weekend a few months before the election, when the sub-prime crisis came to a head, BoA bought Merriyl, etc... Nobody in the country was buying anything for a while, and everybody was facing massive losses.
Speaking of, so far most of the Republican candidates are far right Tea Party nut jobs, which is not exactly how you woo the moderates. I'm definitely voting in the primaries this year (thankfully I live in a state that doesn't force primary voters to be party affiliated). I'll also toss a vote against Obama in the Dem primaries, though I've never seen an incumbent ousted (I tried with Bush, too - I'm not a big fan of leaders of Republics that treat them like dictatorships).
It's an ideological war. The problem is we're stuck with two parties by virtue of "winner takes all" democracy, and no real way to fix it without going with a parliamentary system (with its own serious flaws). So both Republican and Democratic parties are formed of uncomfortable coalitions.
There is nothing inherently wrong with being a Moderate but there is also nothing inherently good about being a Moderate. As with any politician, judge them based on how much they vote in alignment with your beliefs/values/morals. You should only "demand more moderates" if you agree with them. If one politician is in favor of murder and another is against murder, would you demand a moderate who is for murder in moderation? It is a silly example but it illustrates the point that moderation is not inherently
His call to "spread the wealth" isn't far left through government confiscation? Nationalizing health care isn't far left? His constant campaigning against anyone more right than himself isn't far left? The appointment of left-wing wacko's like Van Jones isn't far left?
It's funny that Obama is much closer to a Ronald Reagan Republican than any of the tea party loons. So far his policy has certainly been middle-right, he is nowhere near the extreme leftist that the teabaggers insist he is. Republicans *should* adore him, that they despise him more than any president in history just highlights the irrationality of the tea party. Race certainly has something to do with it, but the steady stream of misinformation coming from FoxNews is probably the biggest culprit.
I think the only similarity is that they both ran/are running huge deficits, but the purpose for those deficits is very different. Obama is doubling-down on the notion that government spending will pull the economy out of the depths, whereas Reagan's mega-spending was in aid of playing military "chicken" with the Soviets, who bankrupted themselves trying to keep up. Obama, on the other hand, thinks that government makes better investment choices than individuals.
We have a hole society who thinks that Moderates are week minded. They are not,
True, but nobody listens to them because of their speling impediment.
Anyhow, how many people do you know who would rally to a battle cry, "Y',know, the other side has some valid points."? Well, there's *me* and probably *you*, but I mean *normal* people.
If by moderate you mean a warmongering torturers' accomplice who prosecutes whistle-blowers, spies on Americans without warrants, kills lotsa brown babies, and gives trillions of dollars of taxpayer money to financial industry parasites. Yeah, I guess that is moderate for a republican these days.
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McCain was the last Democrat I voted for in a Presidential election
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McCain is a moderate republican. We don't have many of those out there any more... What happened in the last election was during the primaries he had to seem like he was far right, after he did that he failed to move to the center very well. Oboma had the advantage of being after Bush, If Donald Duck won the Democratic primaries he probably would have been president, and he made the shift from Far Left to Center very gracefully.
We have a hole society who thinks that Moderates are week minded. They are not, they can hold strong to their convictions however they are not stupidly just holding onto Redirect and take each issue as it comes up. We need to demand more moderates, but the ext reams on both sides have us believe if we elect a moderate the ideals of the party will be compromised away, which isn't true.
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Enough with the revisionism already. Jeesh! The GOP was completely disheartened until Palin spoke. They had watched for 8 years as the party of smaller government took over and, instead of reducing government, gave us hearings on steroids among professional athletes. At some point, you throw your hands up and say, "What the hell. We're dead.", and many in the GOP were feeling that way. The only difference between McCain and Obama was which government programs they wanted to increase spending on.
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Yes, Palin invigorated a lot of Republican voters. However these were the true believers, those who were going to vote Republican anyway. Palin also alienated all the undecided voters and Republican moderates. Sure McCain had a lot of gaffes but he was not doing too badly in the race and even some Democrats were leaning his way, until Palin screwed it all up.
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I typically vote Democrat (or third party). However, I was strongly considering voting for McCain until Palin entered. Had McCain beaten Bush in 2000, it would have been a tough choice there as well. If Bush had declined to run in 2004, McCain would have been a much better choice over Kerry. If it had come to Hillary vs. McCain in 2008, and Palin (or an equivalent) was not in the VP slot, I would have gone to that side. He doesn't energize the Republican Conservative Base, true, but he is a great candi
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McCain might have stood a chance, if not for Palin. I wonder how many democrats are secretly donating money to her, hoping she'll be prominent enough to cost GOP the 2012 election too?
No. Palin hurt him, but it was the economy that sealed the deal. The economy *collapsed*. We're weathering it fairly well, though it's still REALLY hard for a lot of people--but the fact is that almost everyone with any savings at all got a whole lot poorer one weekend a few months before the election, when the sub-prime crisis came to a head, BoA bought Merriyl, etc... Nobody in the country was buying anything for a while, and everybody was facing massive losses.
When people take that big of a hit, they
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Dear Dragon Naturally Speaking,
Please buy a good grammatical reference and learn how to use it.
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Speaking of, so far most of the Republican candidates are far right Tea Party nut jobs, which is not exactly how you woo the moderates. I'm definitely voting in the primaries this year (thankfully I live in a state that doesn't force primary voters to be party affiliated). I'll also toss a vote against Obama in the Dem primaries, though I've never seen an incumbent ousted (I tried with Bush, too - I'm not a big fan of leaders of Republics that treat them like dictatorships).
Note to parent - you mean "whole"
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McCain is a moderate republican. We don't have many of those out there any more...
Moderate Republicans aren't hard to find, however most of them call themselves 'Democrats'.
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It's an ideological war. The problem is we're stuck with two parties by virtue of "winner takes all" democracy, and no real way to fix it without going with a parliamentary system (with its own serious flaws). So both Republican and Democratic parties are formed of uncomfortable coalitions.
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His call to "spread the wealth" isn't far left through government confiscation? Nationalizing health care isn't far left? His constant campaigning against anyone more right than himself isn't far left? The appointment of left-wing wacko's like Van Jones isn't far left?
I don't think you've been paying close attention.
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His call to "spread the wealth" isn't far left through government confiscation?
No, that's moderate. Taking care of the least advantaged is one of the essential services of government. Denying that basic fact is far right.
Nationalizing health care isn't far left?
Obama's health care plan is to the right of Nixon's. Was Nixon a leftist?
His constant campaigning against anyone more right than himself isn't far left?
Obama is a right leaning Democrat. Anyone to the right of him is a Republican. Of course h
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Not according to the Constitution. Don't like it, pass an Amendment.
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I will admit that Obama is the best republican president we have had in a long time.
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I think the only similarity is that they both ran/are running huge deficits, but the purpose for those deficits is very different. Obama is doubling-down on the notion that government spending will pull the economy out of the depths, whereas Reagan's mega-spending was in aid of playing military "chicken" with the Soviets, who bankrupted themselves trying to keep up. Obama, on the other hand, thinks that government makes better investment choices than individuals.
On the international stage, Obama and Reagan
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McCain is a moderate republican.
Only when he's acting on his own recognizance.
When anyone -- and I mean anyone -- grips his ear and pushes his head down to his desk, he's among the most venal of right-wing shills.
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So you're saying he's exactly like a Democrat until someone reminds him that he's in the Republican party?
Great.
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He's never exactly like a democrat, and what he becomes is part of the farthest-right reaches of the Republican Party.
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That doesn't logically make any sense. If you take away the times he acts like a Republican, then all that's left is the Democrat.
Unless to be a Democrat you have to march lockstep with your party and only do exactly what your party says.
Doesn't look like anyone in the Democrat party is "exactly like a democrat"
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We have a hole society who thinks that Moderates are week minded. They are not,
True, but nobody listens to them because of their speling impediment.
Anyhow, how many people do you know who would rally to a battle cry, "Y',know, the other side has some valid points."? Well, there's *me* and probably *you*, but I mean *normal* people.
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This is proof that we need more edumacation funds!
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Oral sex may make your day, but anal sex makes your hole week.
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McCain WAS a moderate republican. Now he's just senile. Obama is a moderate republican.
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If by moderate you mean a warmongering torturers' accomplice who prosecutes whistle-blowers, spies on Americans without warrants, kills lotsa brown babies, and gives trillions of dollars of taxpayer money to financial industry parasites. Yeah, I guess that is moderate for a republican these days.
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When was Obama ever "far left" or even "center"? He's G.W. Bush's third term.
(Also your 2nd paragraph is so illiterate as to be incomprehensible.)