The Tea Party aren't Hobbits by any stretch of the imagination - hobbits are more like 1970's back-to-the-land hippie organic farmer types.
No, the Tea Party seems to be much more like the Easterlings, who's society has been thoroughly corrupted by promises of power regardless of the decency or lack thereof of the individual members. And Obama seems to be playing the role of Denethor, trying to hold back the tide but not really being able to do so and kinda ambiguous about where he's loyalties really lie.
The Tea Party aren't Hobbits by any stretch of the imagination - hobbits are more like 1970's back-to-the-land hippie organic farmer types.
No, the Tea Party seems to be much more like the Easterlings, who's society has been thoroughly corrupted by promises of power regardless of the decency or lack thereof of the individual members. And Obama seems to be playing the role of Denethor, trying to hold back the tide but not really being able to do so and kinda ambiguous about where he's loyalties really lie.
The TEA Party wants LESS government power, not more. Think of them as "Fiscal Libertarians".
So, if they are corrupt, as you say, wouldn't that means they want MORE government power? I think you got it backwards.
they think they are getting that too! That's what's so sad/infuriating! What they are getting is the chance to be controlled by a new master, not the lack of one. One they can't vote out.
As if "less government power" or "small government" was a virtue in itself. That's pretty much the core of the problem, the tea party has no ideology, except for an irrational hate towards everything "government" and in extension, everything democratic. Should they actually succeed to break the US, which is the only goal they seem to share, you'll be able to watch a quite entertaining power grab by them. Expect a feeding frenzy, pigs on the trough.
The TP wants less government power over big business. They couldn't care less if you have to be forced by the government to carry any pregnancy to term.
The Tea Party was a grassroots movement in response to both Bush and Obama increasing the size of the government, with I/R/D fiscal conservatives becoming disillusioned at their lack of good choices at the ballot box.
While Koch is the Soros of the right wing (why not rant about all the crazy shit Soros funds, eh?), he more capitalized on the grassroots movement than started it.
I think the Tea Party is crazy on some issues, like eliminating the Federal Reserve
"It turns out that the tea parties don’t represent a spontaneous outpouring of public sentiment. They’re AstroTurf (fake grass roots) events, manufactured by the usual suspects. In particular, a key role is being played by FreedomWorks, an organization run by Richard Armey, the former House majority leader, and supported by the usual group of right-wing billionaires. And the parties are, of course, being promoted heavily by Fox News." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/ [nytimes.com]
Ah, yes, Krugman. A totally unbiased opinion. Even a fairly liberal NPR article on "Is the Tea Party a grassroots organization" admits that is a real grassroots movement, with some opportunists jumping on the bandwagon once it got rolling (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129926390).
They're not astroturf. The TP really is a grassroots organization, as I have friends and family involved with the organization at the local leve
AstroTurf means that there's hardly any real supporters, and what you see on the news have to be paid to show up/Bussed in.
I've been to several Teaparty events, and that wasn't the case. And what about the march on Washington? Are you saying the majority of those people were simply PAID to be there?
Look at the budget battle. The country is already crashing into the ground. If the Tea Party didn't exist, you would see this exact same scene a few years from now as people refuse to loan the US any more money,
It doesn't matter if ALL of funding came from "Baby Eaters Anonymous".
Unless you see "More baby eating!" as a written goal of the party somewhere, it's not part of the party!
You're working off of the old rules. Where the leader can keep it's goals secret until they have the power to implement them. The Tea Party doesn't have one of those, and it's not built that way. The goals are open and distributed so everyone can work on them to the best of their ability, at their own pace.
The TP wants less government power over big business. They couldn't care less if you have to be forced by the government to carry any pregnancy to term.
Strange. Everyone I know that has attended a TEA Party rally doesn't give a rat's ass about big business. They want the federal government out of THEIR lives. Also, abortion is not a TEA Party position. Letting the states decide whether or not to allow abortion, however, is. I've met just as many TEA Partiers that want the legality of marijuana to be state issue as I've met that abortion to be a state issue. And sure, there are those at the really that are just there because they are further right tha
>>The people who attend the rallies are being spoon-fed dogma to guide their votes
I love how your worldview is so distorted, and that you so entirely lack fiscal conservative friends, that you are completely unaware of the amount of voter anger there was in America over our drunken-sailor spending habits in the last 10 years (it's not just anti-Obama, it's anti-Bush as well).
The only way your mind can deal with the cognitive dissonance is to invent the theory that these people *weren't* actually angry
America is no doubt not pleased with the Bush era spending.
But you and your TP moron friends are dead wrong as to the solution.
Over 70% of Americans want the Bush tax cuts repealed, and over half want taxes raised even further on high-income individuals, who have successfully skated on having to pay for what the Republicans did to this nation.
The TP is the epitome of cognitive dissonance, a pretend grass-roots organization whose democratic end goal is the installation of a plutocracy. An organization whose
>>America is no doubt not pleased with the Bush era spending.
Correct. Though to be fair, the stimulus is both Bush and Obama's fault. And a lot of congressmen from both parties.
>>But you and your TP moron friends are dead wrong as to the solution.
Naturally. Your little mind cannot comprehend those scary "numbers".
50% increase in spending, 20% decrease in revenues, in five years. It might hurt your brain cell to realize it, so I'll explain it to you slowly. We've spent too much money.
What you have seen with your own eyes is called "anecdotal evidence", and is not probative. That the Tea Party includes people who believe they created it is their own cognitive dissonance. The facts are clear. It's paid for by people who would sell you for cattle feed.
Ah, but did you read the actual survey, as opposed to the Pew Survey (and other one that agrees with the Pew survey). If you phrase it as keeping the Bush Tax cuts, people are evenly divided between keeping them, keeping them for people $250k, then 72% said yes.
Also, that very NYT survey shows that people favor reducing spending over raising taxes by a 2-to-1 margin.
>>The facts are clear.
The facts are clear in your mind. That people can't disagree with you.
Does their "less government and regulations" include stopping their attempts to ban abortion, teach creationism in schools, etc.?
It looks like a lot of the same old republicans, just pretending they are narrowly focused on the single fiscal issue they have been caught ignoring.
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The Tea Party aren't Hobbits by any stretch of the imagination - hobbits are more like 1970's back-to-the-land hippie organic farmer types.
No, the Tea Party seems to be much more like the Easterlings, who's society has been thoroughly corrupted by promises of power regardless of the decency or lack thereof of the individual members. And Obama seems to be playing the role of Denethor, trying to hold back the tide but not really being able to do so and kinda ambiguous about where he's loyalties really lie.
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The Tea Party aren't Hobbits by any stretch of the imagination - hobbits are more like 1970's back-to-the-land hippie organic farmer types.
No, the Tea Party seems to be much more like the Easterlings, who's society has been thoroughly corrupted by promises of power regardless of the decency or lack thereof of the individual members. And Obama seems to be playing the role of Denethor, trying to hold back the tide but not really being able to do so and kinda ambiguous about where he's loyalties really lie.
The TEA Party wants LESS government power, not more. Think of them as "Fiscal Libertarians".
So, if they are corrupt, as you say, wouldn't that means they want MORE government power? I think you got it backwards.
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The TP wants less government power over big business. They couldn't care less if you have to be forced by the government to carry any pregnancy to term.
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I'm part of the Tea Party.
Where in the world has "Less power over big business" been listed as a Tea Party goal?
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Look at your sources of funding. The TP was created by the Koch brothers.
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>>The TP was created by the Koch brothers.
The Tea Party was a grassroots movement in response to both Bush and Obama increasing the size of the government, with I/R/D fiscal conservatives becoming disillusioned at their lack of good choices at the ballot box.
While Koch is the Soros of the right wing (why not rant about all the crazy shit Soros funds, eh?), he more capitalized on the grassroots movement than started it.
I think the Tea Party is crazy on some issues, like eliminating the Federal Reserve
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You are being played for a sucker.
"It turns out that the tea parties don’t represent a spontaneous outpouring of public sentiment. They’re AstroTurf (fake grass roots) events, manufactured by the usual suspects. In particular, a key role is being played by FreedomWorks, an organization run by Richard Armey, the former House majority leader, and supported by the usual group of right-wing billionaires. And the parties are, of course, being promoted heavily by Fox News."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/ [nytimes.com]
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>>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/opinion/13krugman.html
Ah, yes, Krugman. A totally unbiased opinion. Even a fairly liberal NPR article on "Is the Tea Party a grassroots organization" admits that is a real grassroots movement, with some opportunists jumping on the bandwagon once it got rolling (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129926390).
They're not astroturf. The TP really is a grassroots organization, as I have friends and family involved with the organization at the local leve
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AstroTurf means that there's hardly any real supporters, and what you see on the news have to be paid to show up/Bussed in.
I've been to several Teaparty events, and that wasn't the case. And what about the march on Washington? Are you saying the majority of those people were simply PAID to be there?
Look at the budget battle. The country is already crashing into the ground. If the Tea Party didn't exist, you would see this exact same scene a few years from now as people refuse to loan the US any more money,
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It doesn't matter if ALL of funding came from "Baby Eaters Anonymous".
Unless you see "More baby eating!" as a written goal of the party somewhere, it's not part of the party!
You're working off of the old rules. Where the leader can keep it's goals secret until they have the power to implement them. The Tea Party doesn't have one of those, and it's not built that way. The goals are open and distributed so everyone can work on them to the best of their ability, at their own pace.
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The TP wants less government power over big business. They couldn't care less if you have to be forced by the government to carry any pregnancy to term.
Strange. Everyone I know that has attended a TEA Party rally doesn't give a rat's ass about big business. They want the federal government out of THEIR lives. Also, abortion is not a TEA Party position. Letting the states decide whether or not to allow abortion, however, is. I've met just as many TEA Partiers that want the legality of marijuana to be state issue as I've met that abortion to be a state issue. And sure, there are those at the really that are just there because they are further right tha
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Don't let reality form yours:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129926390 [npr.org]
The people who attend the rallies are being spoon-fed dogma to guide their votes, while the candidates they elect have an agenda set by the $$'s.
It's a McParty, and it's willing to destroy the country and sell off the pieces.
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>>The people who attend the rallies are being spoon-fed dogma to guide their votes
I love how your worldview is so distorted, and that you so entirely lack fiscal conservative friends, that you are completely unaware of the amount of voter anger there was in America over our drunken-sailor spending habits in the last 10 years (it's not just anti-Obama, it's anti-Bush as well).
The only way your mind can deal with the cognitive dissonance is to invent the theory that these people *weren't* actually angry
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America is no doubt not pleased with the Bush era spending.
But you and your TP moron friends are dead wrong as to the solution.
Over 70% of Americans want the Bush tax cuts repealed, and over half want taxes raised even further on high-income individuals, who have successfully skated on having to pay for what the Republicans did to this nation.
The TP is the epitome of cognitive dissonance, a pretend grass-roots organization whose democratic end goal is the installation of a plutocracy. An organization whose
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>>America is no doubt not pleased with the Bush era spending.
Correct. Though to be fair, the stimulus is both Bush and Obama's fault. And a lot of congressmen from both parties.
>>But you and your TP moron friends are dead wrong as to the solution.
Naturally. Your little mind cannot comprehend those scary "numbers".
50% increase in spending, 20% decrease in revenues, in five years. It might hurt your brain cell to realize it, so I'll explain it to you slowly. We've spent too much money.
We need to r
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I don't have maniacs in my family, and don't consider idiots my friends.
Seventy-two percent support raising taxes on income above $250,000 [nytimes.com]
What you have seen with your own eyes is called "anecdotal evidence", and is not probative. That the Tea Party includes people who believe they created it is their own cognitive dissonance. The facts are clear. It's paid for by people who would sell you for cattle feed.
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Ah, but did you read the actual survey, as opposed to the Pew Survey (and other one that agrees with the Pew survey). If you phrase it as keeping the Bush Tax cuts, people are evenly divided between keeping them, keeping them for people $250k, then 72% said yes.
Also, that very NYT survey shows that people favor reducing spending over raising taxes by a 2-to-1 margin.
>>The facts are clear.
The facts are clear in your mind. That people can't disagree with you.
If you've actually gone out and talked with
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How's that Hope and Change working out for ya? Don't pretend politics are different in any other party.
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